In this interview with The New American magazine’s Alex Newman, rancher and researcher Debbie Bacigalupi discusses the United Nations’ increasingly extreme anti-human agenda that literally includes “human rights” for rocks and rivers. Bacigalupi, a seasoned activist in California who has helped TNA at various UN summits, also discusses “wild law,” “harmony with nature UN,” “sustainable development,” and other insidious agendas to undermine liberty and prosperity. On the same subject, Debbie exposes the agenda to destroy tens of thousands of ranchers and farmers along the Klamath river in California and Oregon by blowing up the dams that make their existence possible.